Misc. Notes
Harry and Alice had three children: Ellis, John, and Thomas.
676Sources from Becky Thill:
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op...=ttg13&id=I35454Sources:
1. Title: The Royal Descents of 500 Immigrants to the American Colonies of the United States, By Gary Boyd Roberts of the New England Hist Genealogical Society
Note:
Source Medium: Book
2. Title: Lewys Dwnn (ed. by S R Meyrick), Hist. Powys Fadog IV, 306
Note:
Source Medium: Book
3. Author: Richard Y. Cook
Title: "Ancestry of Dr. Thomas Wynne", Richard Y. Cook, (Philadelphia, 1904)
Publication: Name: Philadelphia, 1904;
Note:
Source Medium: Book
Page: Pg. 10
Text: Per the work of Betty McGehee, Harri Ap Cynric, of Yskeiviog, was born probably about 1485, and was a man of very considerable standing in his country. Bronvedog, in Yskeiviog, was a part of his possessions. It was afterwards the home of Dr. Thomas Wynne. (Dwnn II, 304, Hist. Powys Fadog IV, 306)
Harri ap Cynric married Alice, Daughter of Simon Thelwal, Esq. of Plas y Ward, by Janet his wife, daughter of Edward Langford, Esq. of Ruthin, in the county of Denbigh.
This Simon Thelwall was son unto David Thelwell of Plas y Ward, by Tibott or Tabitha, Daughter of Jenkin de Weild, of Borasham, in Maelor Gymraeg.
The Langford family was of Alington and Ruthin in Denbigshire. John Langford was Constable of the Castle of Ruthin and Steward of Dyffryn Clwyd, and his son Richard Langford, was likewise constable of the same castle, and died 12 July, 1466. He was succeeded by his son, Edward Langford, Constable of Ruthin Castle, who died 16 Henry VI, and whose wife, Eleanor, daughter of John Dutton, of Dutton, died 5 Edward IV.
Harri ap Cynric had issue by Alice, his wife:
1. John Wynne ap Harry: of whom presently
2. Thomas ap Harry, of Yskeiviog, who had issue, inter al., Rees Wynne ap Thomas ap Harry of Yskeiviog, who had Thomas Wynne baptised 1581, and other issue.
4. Title: "Royal Tribes of Wales" by Philip Yorke, Esq. [Liverpool 1887], Richard Williams, ed., pp. 7-9
Note:
Source Medium: Book
Text: Harri of Cynrie, of Bronvedog, ca. 1488 Ithel Vychan, of the eighth generation of the descendants of Ednowain Bendew, and ancestor of Dr. Wynne, married a descendant of Owen Gwynedd, Prince of North Wales, and his grandson, Harri ap Cynric, ap Ithel Vychan, to whom has descended the lands of Yskeivog, the birthplace of Dr. Thomas Wynne, married Alice Thewal, daughter of Simon Thewal, Esquire, and his wife Janet Langdord, of the family of Langdord, long rulers of the Castle of Ruthin, Denbighshire, and through his son John Wynne, the patronymic of the Pennsylvania family first appears.
In the 9th century Powys was joined with the kingdom of Gwynedd. Powys later broke from Gwynedd, then split into northern and southern kingdoms in the mid 12th century. The northern kingdom was ruled by Madog, while the southern kingdom was ruled by his brother Gruffydd, sons of Maredudd ap Bleddyn.
With the death of Llywelyn ap Gruffydd in 1282 and his brother Dafydd the following year, 400 years of dominance by the house of Gwynedd came to an end. Gwynedd had survived intense rivalries from within Wales, as well as outside threats from Saxons, Vikings and Norman would-be-conquerors. It had done so through a combination of might and well-placed diplomacy that nevertheless failed to withstand the final, determined assault from the English in the person of Edward I.
5. Title: Archeologia Cambrensis the Journal of the Cambrian Archeological Association, London: J. Russell Smith, 1857 : 4 Ser., VIII , 56
6. Title: Lewys Dwnn (ed. by S R Meyrick), Heraldic Visitations of Wales and part of the Marches, bet 1586 and 1613" , 2 vols
7. Title: From Ysgeifiog to Pennsylvania: The Rise of Thomas Wynne (A Welsh Quaker) By Geraint H. Jenkins, Ph. D
Text: Sent to Rebecca N. Thill by Mr. Geraint H. Jenkins a long with some relevant charts that apply to the Wynne family.
8. Title: The History of Powys Fadog, IV, 305-22, "Thelwall of Plas Y Ward, Lewys Dwnn, vol ii; Harl. MS. 9865, fo. 81
Note:
Source Medium: Book
Page: p. 306
Text: 1. Alis, ux. Harry ab Cynwrig ab Ithel Fychan of Ysgeifiog in Tegeingl.
9. Title: "Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" by John Edwards Griffith, 1914 ed
Note:
Source Medium: Book
Text: p. 204 Sir Richard Price, Abbot of Aberconway, "Y Person Gwyn", see Add. MSS 15,017 = Jonet, d. of Ellis ap Harri ap Cynwrig ap Ithel Vychan of Ysgeifiog.
p. 274 Ales = Harry ap Cynwrig ap Ithel Vychan, of Ysgeifiog, in Tegeingl.
10. Title: Hazel A. Formby, Caerwys Village Historian, Flintshire, Wales
11. Title: Wynnstay MS 143, Salusbury Pedigree MS, Transcript 1832, by Joseph Morris
Note:
Source Medium: Book
Page: p. 597, John Wynn ap Hugh H.S.C. 1551, 1560
Text: This is taken from Wynnstay Ms 143 which is _Salusbury Pedigree Ms, a transcript made 1832 by Joseph Morris of a collection of pedigrees made 1630 x 1637 by Owen Salusbury of Rhug and John Salusbury of Erbistock_ The originals were barbequed in a house fire at Wynnstay Manor.
Robert father of John Longford = Agnes from Leicestershire [sic] to Ruthin had child Richard L. d. 12 July 1466 = alice fh (ferch and haer = dtr & heir) Howel ap Griffith of Ruthin, esq. ap Morgan ap Kenrick of Hopdale ap Gwilim apThomas ap E? ap Cadwgon ap Gronwy ap Uchdred ap Edwin. She d. 10 Aug. 4 Ed. 4 Had Child: Edward L. of Ruthin, d. 16 H 7 = Ellen Dutton / / / Joane ux Simon Thelwall the / indicates illegitimacy. This was transcribed to me by Kay Allen, AG
12. Title: "Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants", Vol. II, Comp. Aileen Lewers Langston, J. Orton Buck Jr., forward Timothy Field Beard
Text: p. 330 Alice Thelwell [Thewal] [Thew] [Thewall], b. at Plas y Ward; m. Harry ap Cynric, b. at Yskeiviog, Wales, prob. in 1485
13. Title:
http://www.ronulrich.com/rfuged/nti17098.htm
Text: JOHN WYNNE, twelfth in descent from Ednowain Bendew, in the ownership of
the lands in the parish of Yskeivog, Flintshire, died there prior to 1582.
He married Katharine, daughter and heiress of Ithel ap Jenkin, ap David, ap
Howell, and had thirteen children the eldest of whom was vicar of Caerways,
the ancestral house of worship.
14. Title: "Colonial Families in Philadelphia", editor John W. Jordan, Pub; Clearfield Company, VOL III, Clarence P. Wynne
Note:
Source Medium: Book
Text: pg. 1189
Ithel Vychan, of the eighth generation of the descendants of Ednowain Bendew, and ancestor of Dr. Wynne, married a descendant of Owen Gwynedd, Prince of North Wales, and his grandson, Harri ap Cynric, ap Ithel Vychan, to whom has descended the lands of Yskeiviog, the birthplace of Dr. Thomas Wynne, married Alice Thelwal, daughter of SImon Thelwal, Esquire, and his wife Janet Langdord, of the family of Langdord, long rulers of the castle of Ruthin, Denbighshire, and through his son John Wynne, the patronymic of the Pennsylvania Family first appears.
15. Title: Welsh Founders of Pennsylvania, Thomas Allen Glenn, Gen. Pub. Co. 2 vols in 1, 1970
Text: Chart between pg 20-21
John Thelwall, of Plas yn Ward, m. Ffelis, dau. of John ap Rhys, by Alice dau. and h. of Sir Walter Cooke, Knt.
had:
David Thelwall of Plas yn Ward, m. Tibot, dau. Jenkin de Weild, of Borasham
had:
Simon Thelwall, of Plas yn Ward, Co. Denbigh, Esq. = Janet Langford
Richard Langford, Constable of Ruthin Castle. Receiver of Ruthin 1431. s. John L. Constable of R. and Steward of Vale of Clwyd.
had: Edward Langford, Constable of Ruthin Castle. D. 16 Hen. VI., m. Ellen, dau. of John Dutton of Dutton.
had: Janet Langford = Simon Thelwall, of Plas yn Ward, Co. Denbigh, Esq.
They had:
Alice Thelwall, dau. Simon = Harri ap Cynric [or Cynwrig] of Ysceifiog.
had:
Ellis ap Harri, of Ysceifiog
had
Hugh ap Ellis ap Harri, of Ysceifiog, who had Alice, event. h. who m. John Myddleton, of Gwaynynog, Esq. [d. 1588], and had William who m. Catherine, dau. of John Conway, Esq., of Bodrhyddan, David, and other issue.
Pg 95
Harri ap Cynric, [1. Dwnn, ii., 304] of Ysceifiog, [2. I cannot find that he held any considerable lands, if any at all, in the parish of Bodfari, and the farms there seem to have gone to his brothers. Rhys ap Cynric, called Rees Wyn [Wynne], was of the township of Aberwhiler., or Aberweeler, in Bodfari. He was born 1487, and had several sons who were freeholders there. One of them, John ap Rees Wyn, was buried at Bodfari, 1607, aged 93 years. Harri ap Cynric, however, was possessed of part of Ysceifiog, including Bron Vadog, the home of Dr. Thomas Wynne, to whose immediate family it descended.] was born probably about 1485, and was a man of very considerable standing in his county. Bron Vadog, in Ysceifiog, appears to have been a part of his possessions.
Harri ap Cynric married Alice, daughter of Simon Thelwall, [3. Dwnn, ii, 304; "History Powys Fadog," iv., 306] of Plas yn Ward, Esq., by Janet, daughter of Edward Langford, of Ruthin, in the county of Denbigh.
This Simon Thelwall was son unto David Thelwall of Plas Yn Ward, by Tibot, or Tabitha, daughter of Jenkin de Weild, of Borasham.
The Langford family was of Allington and Ruthin, in Denbighshire. John Langford was constable of the Castle of Ruthin, and steward of Dyffryn Clwyd, and his son, Richard Langford, was likewise constable of the same castle, and died 12 July 1466. He was succeeded by his son, Edward Langford, constable of Ruthin Castle, who died 16 Henry VII., and whose wife, eleanor, daughter of John Dutton, of Dutton, died 5 Edward IV.
Issue:
i. John Wynne ap Harri, of whom presently
ii. Thomas ap Harri, of Ysceifiog, who had issue, inter al., Rees Wynne ap Thomas ap Harri, of Ysceifiog, who had Thomas Wynne, Baptized 1581, and other issue. [4. Bodfari Parish Register].