Christian Grim & Mary Morgan - Person Sheet
Christian Grim & Mary Morgan - Person Sheet
NameIthel (Vaughan) Vychan ap CYNRIC KYNVEIG 
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676FatherCynric Kynveig ap ROTHPERT (ca1340-)
Misc. Notes
Ithel Vychan is sometimes spelled Ithel Fychan. He was apparently named after his uncle, Ithel Vychan ap Rothpert ap Iorwerth, Arch deacon of Tegaingl.
**A note: The Center for the Study of Ancient Wales (www.ancientwalesstudies.org) gives a slightly different pedigree for Ithel. After much study, they have pieced together many Welsh genealogies. Sometimes the genealogies skipped a generation or confused similarly named people. Sometimes the generations had dates too far apart to make sense. However, the estimated birth dates are way off from dates given by Becky Thill and should be used with caution.
Sources from Becky Thill: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op...=ttg13&id=I19698
Title: "Royal Tribes of Wales" by Philip Yorke, Esq. [Liverpool 1887], Richard Williams, ed., pp. 7-9 Note: Source Medium: Book Text: We are told that Cynric, brother of the Archdeacon, "went to Caerwys, and having married a descendant of Prince Dafydd, so cruelly murdered by the English, was father of Ithel Vychan a surname given him to distinguish him from his uncle, the Archdeacon. He had issue by his first wife: Ithel Vychan: of who presently, David, m. Nest, dau. of Meuric Lloyd. of Nannau. Rhys. (Note- the wife of Cynric ap Rotpert was descended from Emma Plantagenet, sister of Henry II, of England, and dau of Geoffrey Plantagenet, Count of Anjou) ITHEL VAUGHAN, of Holt Denbigh and Northrup, in right of his wife and of Bodfari and Yskeiviog, Flintshire, who married the heiress of Robin, brother of Robert, ancestor of the Gwydir family and descended from Owen Gwynedd, Prince of North Wales. This Robert was alive 9 Henry VII, 1304. The History of the Gwydir Family, by Sir John Wynne, says: "John Tudor, one of our Welsh Heralds, sayeth that there was a third brother, called Robin, whose daughter and heire Ithel Vaughan married, and therefor those decended from his doe quarter Owen Gwynedds Egletts." John Tudor died 1602 and was a very noted and skilfull herald. After his marriage Ithel Vaughan went to live upon his wife's estate at Holt in Denbighshire. His great-grandson, Richard, was living at Holt in 1488, but his son William succeeded his uncle John at Chilton in Shropshire, shich had been granted by Henry VII to his branch of the family for services on Bosworth together with a new coat of Arms of the tinctures born by Henry himself in this battle, viz.: Argent and vert. Ithel Vychan had issue: 1. Cynric: of whom presently, 2. David.
Title: "Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" by John Edwards Griffith, 1914 ed Note: Source Medium: Book Text: p. 280
Title: Kenneth Williams, willperf@aol.com
Title: "Ancestry of Dr. Thomas Wynne", Richard Y. Cook, (Philadelphia, 1904) Note: Source Medium: Book Text: ITHEL VAUGHAN, of Holt Denbigh and Northrup, inright of his wife and of Bodfari and Yskeiviog, Flintshire, who married the heiress of Robin, brother of Robert, ancestor of the Gwydir family and descended from Owen Gwynedd, Prince of North Wales. This Robert was alive 9 Henry VII, 1304. The History of the Gwydir Family, by Sir John Wynne, says: "John Tudor, one of our Welsh Heralds, sayeth that there was a third brother, called Robin, whose daughter and heire Ithel Vaughan married, and therefor those decended from his doe quarter Owen Gwynedds Egletts." John Tudor died 1602 and was a very noted and skilful herald. After his marriage Ithel Vaughan went to live upon his wife's estate at Holt in Denbigshire. His great-grandson, Richard, was living at Holt in 1488, but his son William succeeded his uncle John at Chilton in Shropshire, shich had been granted by Henry VII to his branch of the family for services on Bosworth together with a new coat of Arms of the tinctures born by Henry himself in this battle, viz.: Argent and vert. Ithel Vychan had issue: 1. Cynric: of whom presently, 2. David.
Title: Hazel A. Formby, Caerwys Village Historian, Flintshire, Wales Text: B.) Ithel Vychan [Vychan became the surname of Vaughan] - he is stated to be of Ysceifiog and Bodfari. His wife Angharad was heiress to property at Holt and Northop. Upon marriage in those days, the wife's property would pass to her husband in most cases. NB Coed-y-Mynydd was the ancestral home of the Wynn's it is an ancient and important site and very near the parish boundary of Bodfari. Many times you will find it referred to as being in Bodfari. Ithel Vychan of Holt Cty, Denbigh and Northop, Ysceifiog/Caerwys in right of his wife. His wife is sole heiress of Robin ap Meredydd. He was living in 1304. They had an estate in Denbighshire in the Town of Holt, also estate in Flintshire Village Northop.
Title: Lewys Dwnn (ed. by S R Meyrick), Heraldic Visitations of Wales and part of the Marches, bet 1586 and 1613" , 2 vols Text: Lewys Dwnn (ed. by S R Meyrick), Heraldic Visitations of Wales and part of the Marches, bet 1586 and 1613" , 2 vols.
Title: Archeologia Cambrensis the Journal of the Cambrian Archeological Association, London: J. Russell Smith, 1857 : 4 Ser., VIII , 56
Title: "Pedigrees of the Welsh Tribal Patriarchs" Bartrum's Note: Source Medium: Book
Title: Kay Allen, AG, allenk@pacbell.net Text: My information agrees with yours up to the mother of Ithel Vychan ap Cynwrig. His father was Cynwig ap Robert who had two wives. Angharad ferch Madog Llwyd ap Iorworth Foel and Angharad ferch Gruffydd Vychan. My information shows Ithel Vychan ap Cynwig as son of Angharad Ferch Madog, My sources are Bartum; Cook, Richard Y. Ancestry of Dr. Thomas Wynne, Lloyd's Lloyd Manscripts; Dwnn; Glenn's Welsh Founders of Pennsylvania, McCracken's Welcome Claimants Proved. Etc.
Title: The Visitation of Shropshire, 1623 Text: p. 178 Kenrick ap Rotpert = ...da to Madock Ithell Vychan = Angarrett da & hei to Robin
Title: "The Wynnes", T. B. Deems, Knightstown, IN, Aetna Printing Co., IN 1907 Note: Source Medium: Book Text: p. 171, 9. Gwerflr, who married Robin ap Meredith, ap Howell, ap David ap Cariodog, etc. and who was descended from Owen Gwynedd, King of North Wales and entitled to use the royal Welsh coat of arms, consisting of: "Quarterly - 1st and 4th vert; three eagles displayed in fesse or, " for Owen Gwynedd; and "2nd and 3rd, gu. three lions passant, in pale argent, armed," for Griffith ap Cynan, King of South Wales. [See Burke's Peerage, p. 1658] they have a daughter who married: Ithel Vychan [Vaughn] ap Cynric ap Ratpert ap Iowarth ap Ririd ap Iowarth ap Madog ap Ednowain Bendew, Lord of Tegamgl and Chief of the 15th Noble Tribe of Wales. This Ithel Vychan of Holt, Denbigh and Northrup, in right of his wife, and of Bodfari and Yskeiviog, Flintshire, after his marriage went to live upon his wifes estate at Holt in Denbighshire. His great grandson, Richard, was living at Holt in 1488, but Richard's son William Succeeded his uncle John at Chilton in Shropshire, England, which had been granted by Henry VII to his branch of the family for services on Bosworth field, together with a new coat of arms of the tinctures borne by Henry himself in that battle, viz: Argent and vert. Ithel Vychan had two sons Cynrid and David.
Title: The History of the Gwydir Family" written by Sir John Wynne, Knt. and Bart, ut creditur & Patet. Oswestry, 1878 Note: Source Medium: Book Page: Page Two Text: Table II, A da. wife of Ithel Vaughan All the inheritance of this Robin Vaughan ap David ap Howell, held after the Welsh tenure, within the lordship of Denbigh, was by the custome of the countrey3 to descend to his heire male, and so descended to Jevan, the sonne of Rob't ap Meredith his cosen, as hereafter shall be laid downe in the life of the said Jevan. I have in my house the probate of the testament of Morvydd, the wife of Meredith ap Howell, as faire to behold as at the first day, bearing date anno 1416. The probate of the will is dated at Krikieth, before one Rob't Swaython, official of the Archdeacon of Merioneth. Meredith ap Howell had by her two sonnes, Rob't and Jevan, and a daughter, called Marsli,4 married to Jenkin Conwey of Ruddlan, mother to Hen Sion acer5 y Conwey, of whome all the Conweys, of Ruddlan and Bodriddan, and Lords of Prestatyn, are descended. She was the first Welsh-woman that was maried into that house, as John Conwey, Esq. my cosen, [now Lord thereof] told me. John Tudur,6 one of our Welsh heraulds, sayth, that there was a third brother, called Robin, whose daughter and heire Ithel Vaughan maried, and therefore those descended from him doe quarter Owen Gwynedd's egletts.7 3= Whether by this custom is meant yie of gavel-kinde. [Note to the Brogyntyn MS.]. 4= According to the Great Book of Pedigrees, by the antiquary of Hengwrt, Robert Vaughan [Hengwrt MSS 96], this Marsli was the grandmother of John Hen aer y Conwey. In the 36th and 37th Reports of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records, where there are such voluminous references to the landowners of Flintshire, there appears no Fenkin Conway, but Jenkin and John are the same name, and there appear to have been several in successive generations bearing the name of John; so that is very difficult to identify each as they occur in the pedigrees. It is certain, however, that Sion Hen aer y Conwey died on the next Saturday after the feast of St. Mary the Virgin, 1487
Title: The History of the Gwydir Family" written by Sir John Wynne, Knt. and Bart, ut creditur & Patet. Oswestry, 1878 Note: Source Medium: Book Text: pg. 32, 6=These are mentioned in the Preface, to have been the arms of Owen Gwynedd. - B. 7= John Tudur of Wigfair, in Rhos, Denbighshire, was John Conwy's domestic Bard. He was a skilful Herald: and satirized the vices of the age very freely. - L He died in 1602
Title: "Colonial Families in Philadelphia", editor John W. Jordan, Pub; Clearfield Company, VOL III, Clarence P. Wynne Note: Source Medium: Book Text: pg. 1189 Ithel Vychan, of the eighth generation of the descendants of Ednowain Bendew, and ancestor of Dr. Wynne, married a descendant of Owen Gwynedd, Prince of North Wales, and his grandson, Harri ap Cynric, ap Ithel Vychan, to whom has descended the lands of Yskeiviog, the birthplace of Dr. Thomas Wynne, married Alice Thelwal, daughter of SImon Thelwal, Esquire, and his wife Janet Langdord, of the family of Langdord, long rulers of the castle of Ruthin, Denbighshire, and through his son John Wynne, the patronymic of the Pennsylvania Family first appears.
**A note: The Center for the Study of Ancient Wales (www.ancientwalesstudies.org) gives a slightly different pedigree for Ithel. After much study, they have pieced together many Welsh genealogies. Sometimes the genealogies skipped a generation or confused similarly named people. Sometimes the generations had dates too far apart to make sense. However, the estimated birth dates are way off from dates given by Becky Thill and should be used with caution.
Sources from Becky Thill: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op...=ttg13&id=I19698
Title: "Royal Tribes of Wales" by Philip Yorke, Esq. [Liverpool 1887], Richard Williams, ed., pp. 7-9 Note: Source Medium: Book Text: We are told that Cynric, brother of the Archdeacon, "went to Caerwys, and having married a descendant of Prince Dafydd, so cruelly murdered by the English, was father of Ithel Vychan a surname given him to distinguish him from his uncle, the Archdeacon. He had issue by his first wife: Ithel Vychan: of who presently, David, m. Nest, dau. of Meuric Lloyd. of Nannau. Rhys. (Note- the wife of Cynric ap Rotpert was descended from Emma Plantagenet, sister of Henry II, of England, and dau of Geoffrey Plantagenet, Count of Anjou) ITHEL VAUGHAN, of Holt Denbigh and Northrup, in right of his wife and of Bodfari and Yskeiviog, Flintshire, who married the heiress of Robin, brother of Robert, ancestor of the Gwydir family and descended from Owen Gwynedd, Prince of North Wales. This Robert was alive 9 Henry VII, 1304. The History of the Gwydir Family, by Sir John Wynne, says: "John Tudor, one of our Welsh Heralds, sayeth that there was a third brother, called Robin, whose daughter and heire Ithel Vaughan married, and therefor those decended from his doe quarter Owen Gwynedds Egletts." John Tudor died 1602 and was a very noted and skilfull herald. After his marriage Ithel Vaughan went to live upon his wife's estate at Holt in Denbighshire. His great-grandson, Richard, was living at Holt in 1488, but his son William succeeded his uncle John at Chilton in Shropshire, shich had been granted by Henry VII to his branch of the family for services on Bosworth together with a new coat of Arms of the tinctures born by Henry himself in this battle, viz.: Argent and vert. Ithel Vychan had issue: 1. Cynric: of whom presently, 2. David.
Title: "Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families" by John Edwards Griffith, 1914 ed Note: Source Medium: Book Text: p. 280
Title: Kenneth Williams, willperf@aol.com
Title: "Ancestry of Dr. Thomas Wynne", Richard Y. Cook, (Philadelphia, 1904) Note: Source Medium: Book Text: ITHEL VAUGHAN, of Holt Denbigh and Northrup, inright of his wife and of Bodfari and Yskeiviog, Flintshire, who married the heiress of Robin, brother of Robert, ancestor of the Gwydir family and descended from Owen Gwynedd, Prince of North Wales. This Robert was alive 9 Henry VII, 1304. The History of the Gwydir Family, by Sir John Wynne, says: "John Tudor, one of our Welsh Heralds, sayeth that there was a third brother, called Robin, whose daughter and heire Ithel Vaughan married, and therefor those decended from his doe quarter Owen Gwynedds Egletts." John Tudor died 1602 and was a very noted and skilful herald. After his marriage Ithel Vaughan went to live upon his wife's estate at Holt in Denbigshire. His great-grandson, Richard, was living at Holt in 1488, but his son William succeeded his uncle John at Chilton in Shropshire, shich had been granted by Henry VII to his branch of the family for services on Bosworth together with a new coat of Arms of the tinctures born by Henry himself in this battle, viz.: Argent and vert. Ithel Vychan had issue: 1. Cynric: of whom presently, 2. David.
Title: Hazel A. Formby, Caerwys Village Historian, Flintshire, Wales Text: B.) Ithel Vychan [Vychan became the surname of Vaughan] - he is stated to be of Ysceifiog and Bodfari. His wife Angharad was heiress to property at Holt and Northop. Upon marriage in those days, the wife's property would pass to her husband in most cases. NB Coed-y-Mynydd was the ancestral home of the Wynn's it is an ancient and important site and very near the parish boundary of Bodfari. Many times you will find it referred to as being in Bodfari. Ithel Vychan of Holt Cty, Denbigh and Northop, Ysceifiog/Caerwys in right of his wife. His wife is sole heiress of Robin ap Meredydd. He was living in 1304. They had an estate in Denbighshire in the Town of Holt, also estate in Flintshire Village Northop.
Title: Lewys Dwnn (ed. by S R Meyrick), Heraldic Visitations of Wales and part of the Marches, bet 1586 and 1613" , 2 vols Text: Lewys Dwnn (ed. by S R Meyrick), Heraldic Visitations of Wales and part of the Marches, bet 1586 and 1613" , 2 vols.
Title: Archeologia Cambrensis the Journal of the Cambrian Archeological Association, London: J. Russell Smith, 1857 : 4 Ser., VIII , 56
Title: "Pedigrees of the Welsh Tribal Patriarchs" Bartrum's Note: Source Medium: Book
Title: Kay Allen, AG, allenk@pacbell.net Text: My information agrees with yours up to the mother of Ithel Vychan ap Cynwrig. His father was Cynwig ap Robert who had two wives. Angharad ferch Madog Llwyd ap Iorworth Foel and Angharad ferch Gruffydd Vychan. My information shows Ithel Vychan ap Cynwig as son of Angharad Ferch Madog, My sources are Bartum; Cook, Richard Y. Ancestry of Dr. Thomas Wynne, Lloyd's Lloyd Manscripts; Dwnn; Glenn's Welsh Founders of Pennsylvania, McCracken's Welcome Claimants Proved. Etc.
Title: The Visitation of Shropshire, 1623 Text: p. 178 Kenrick ap Rotpert = ...da to Madock Ithell Vychan = Angarrett da & hei to Robin
Title: "The Wynnes", T. B. Deems, Knightstown, IN, Aetna Printing Co., IN 1907 Note: Source Medium: Book Text: p. 171, 9. Gwerflr, who married Robin ap Meredith, ap Howell, ap David ap Cariodog, etc. and who was descended from Owen Gwynedd, King of North Wales and entitled to use the royal Welsh coat of arms, consisting of: "Quarterly - 1st and 4th vert; three eagles displayed in fesse or, " for Owen Gwynedd; and "2nd and 3rd, gu. three lions passant, in pale argent, armed," for Griffith ap Cynan, King of South Wales. [See Burke's Peerage, p. 1658] they have a daughter who married: Ithel Vychan [Vaughn] ap Cynric ap Ratpert ap Iowarth ap Ririd ap Iowarth ap Madog ap Ednowain Bendew, Lord of Tegamgl and Chief of the 15th Noble Tribe of Wales. This Ithel Vychan of Holt, Denbigh and Northrup, in right of his wife, and of Bodfari and Yskeiviog, Flintshire, after his marriage went to live upon his wifes estate at Holt in Denbighshire. His great grandson, Richard, was living at Holt in 1488, but Richard's son William Succeeded his uncle John at Chilton in Shropshire, England, which had been granted by Henry VII to his branch of the family for services on Bosworth field, together with a new coat of arms of the tinctures borne by Henry himself in that battle, viz: Argent and vert. Ithel Vychan had two sons Cynrid and David.
Title: The History of the Gwydir Family" written by Sir John Wynne, Knt. and Bart, ut creditur & Patet. Oswestry, 1878 Note: Source Medium: Book Page: Page Two Text: Table II, A da. wife of Ithel Vaughan All the inheritance of this Robin Vaughan ap David ap Howell, held after the Welsh tenure, within the lordship of Denbigh, was by the custome of the countrey3 to descend to his heire male, and so descended to Jevan, the sonne of Rob't ap Meredith his cosen, as hereafter shall be laid downe in the life of the said Jevan. I have in my house the probate of the testament of Morvydd, the wife of Meredith ap Howell, as faire to behold as at the first day, bearing date anno 1416. The probate of the will is dated at Krikieth, before one Rob't Swaython, official of the Archdeacon of Merioneth. Meredith ap Howell had by her two sonnes, Rob't and Jevan, and a daughter, called Marsli,4 married to Jenkin Conwey of Ruddlan, mother to Hen Sion acer5 y Conwey, of whome all the Conweys, of Ruddlan and Bodriddan, and Lords of Prestatyn, are descended. She was the first Welsh-woman that was maried into that house, as John Conwey, Esq. my cosen, [now Lord thereof] told me. John Tudur,6 one of our Welsh heraulds, sayth, that there was a third brother, called Robin, whose daughter and heire Ithel Vaughan maried, and therefore those descended from him doe quarter Owen Gwynedd's egletts.7 3= Whether by this custom is meant yie of gavel-kinde. [Note to the Brogyntyn MS.]. 4= According to the Great Book of Pedigrees, by the antiquary of Hengwrt, Robert Vaughan [Hengwrt MSS 96], this Marsli was the grandmother of John Hen aer y Conwey. In the 36th and 37th Reports of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records, where there are such voluminous references to the landowners of Flintshire, there appears no Fenkin Conway, but Jenkin and John are the same name, and there appear to have been several in successive generations bearing the name of John; so that is very difficult to identify each as they occur in the pedigrees. It is certain, however, that Sion Hen aer y Conwey died on the next Saturday after the feast of St. Mary the Virgin, 1487
Title: The History of the Gwydir Family" written by Sir John Wynne, Knt. and Bart, ut creditur & Patet. Oswestry, 1878 Note: Source Medium: Book Text: pg. 32, 6=These are mentioned in the Preface, to have been the arms of Owen Gwynedd. - B. 7= John Tudur of Wigfair, in Rhos, Denbighshire, was John Conwy's domestic Bard. He was a skilful Herald: and satirized the vices of the age very freely. - L He died in 1602
Title: "Colonial Families in Philadelphia", editor John W. Jordan, Pub; Clearfield Company, VOL III, Clarence P. Wynne Note: Source Medium: Book Text: pg. 1189 Ithel Vychan, of the eighth generation of the descendants of Ednowain Bendew, and ancestor of Dr. Wynne, married a descendant of Owen Gwynedd, Prince of North Wales, and his grandson, Harri ap Cynric, ap Ithel Vychan, to whom has descended the lands of Yskeiviog, the birthplace of Dr. Thomas Wynne, married Alice Thelwal, daughter of SImon Thelwal, Esquire, and his wife Janet Langdord, of the family of Langdord, long rulers of the castle of Ruthin, Denbighshire, and through his son John Wynne, the patronymic of the Pennsylvania Family first appears.